C.Lee: Mental Health, Music Industry, & Giving Back
🎙️ From running a clothing store to running the West Coast IG Live scene—C.Lee has been a voice for the overlooked, the upcoming, and the evolving.
In this episode of Unquestionable the Podcast, C.Lee sits down with us to share his journey from Hunters Point to Antioch, editing interviews at Thizzler, building a platform for artists on IG Live, and becoming a beacon of truth in NorCal media. We get real about:
🧠The therapy behind the grind
🎥 Why he left Thizzler & what’s next
🌍 How he found purpose through pain
🙏 The spiritual side of the hustle
📉 The mental cost of the music industry
🔥 Why being yourself is the ultimate strategy
This one’s for the content creators, culture shifters, and anybody trying to build something real.
⏱️ Timestamps:
00:00 – The hate means you’re doing something right
01:01 – From Hunters Point to Antioch: gentrification & new beginnings
02:45 – Hoop dreams to divine purpose: C.Lee’s early life
04:00 – Clothing brand fails, content begins
05:17 – Instagram Live & the birth of the platform
07:00 – Early Thizzler days: editing grind & IG Live takeover
08:00 – Breaking artists like Lil Seeto
09:50 – Why IG Live was more than just music
13:50 – Philanthropy work: prom giveaways, backpack drives & expungements
15:40 – Why he believes everyone should “keep your own”
18:00 – Non-traditional relationships & protecting your peace
22:00 – Men, heartbreak & the power of therapy
25:30 – Mental health, masculinity & faith
28:00 – Negative self-talk, demonic thoughts & replacing the narrative
31:00 – The music industry will chew you up & spit you out
33:00 – Streaming over rapping: why attention shifted
36:00 – Fans are often more toxic than the industry
39:00 – What’s next: Twitch streaming, movies, and national impact
43:00 – Balance, burnout & praying to be busy
46:30 – Final gems on purpose, passion & the pressure of media
52:00 – Why most media companies sell integrity for numbers
55:00 – C.Lee on being booked, blessed, and staying true
57:00 – Where to find C.Lee + closing words
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Transcript
I'm gonna give y' all some insight.
Speaker A:I knew the show was doing good when I would get 30, 40 fuck you messages.
Speaker B:That's how you know you're doing good.
Speaker A:That's how you know.
Speaker A:And it took me time to recognize that.
Speaker A:But when you not getting those, get me on the line.
Speaker A:Fuck you, you hating you politicking.
Speaker A:That's not a good sign.
Speaker A:When they in the music industry, I'm learning.
Speaker A:When they not mad, that's kind of a bad sign because it's like they're not paying attention.
Speaker C:All right, you guys, we're back with another episode of Unquestion of the Podcast.
Speaker C:We're here with the boy C.
Speaker C:Lee.
Speaker A:Legal for the people, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, man, let's talk about it, man.
Speaker A:I'm excited about this.
Speaker A:I'm blessed and highly favored, man.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm happy to be here.
Speaker A:I make a point to, like, pull up to People's podcast, have good conversations, create good content.
Speaker D:Appreciate you coming, too.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Anytime y' all need me, just hit me.
Speaker A:Let's get it.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, definitely, man.
Speaker B:Definitely.
Speaker B:Well, to start it off, we want to get into your background.
Speaker B:Tell us where you're from, you know, your backstory a little bit, and what got you into what you're doing now.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm from San Francisco, California.
Speaker A:Huntes Point Coin, to be exact.
Speaker A:You know, I'm from the city by way of Antioch, California.
Speaker A:And what happened to a lot of people in the city, Oakland, Richmond.
Speaker A:Once gentrification happened, a lot of us got pushed out.
Speaker A:So we got pushed out to, like, the Fairfields, the Antioch, the.
Speaker A:Some even to, like, Vallejos or what other place, Haywards.
Speaker A:A lot of people got pushed out when gentrification happened, and I was one of those people.
Speaker A:So I'm born and raised in the city, and I like to say by way of Antioch, California, because, what, my second semester of my ninth grade years, when I went to Antioch, and, you know, it changed my life, honestly, because you've seen a totally different world.
Speaker A:Like, when you go from Section 8 housing and now, like, you ain't now you've seen grass yards and people with houses and all that.
Speaker A:It's kind of crazy, but that's, you know, it was crazy, but, yeah.
Speaker A:God is good.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So growing up, were you.
Speaker B:Did you have a heavy interest in, like, media, music, entertainment, things of that nature?
Speaker A:I'm from the Point.
Speaker A:Like, we was either, like, looking up the street or we was, like, sports, you know, and, you know, thank God delivered us from that.
Speaker A:But like we really didn't know no better.
Speaker A:It was either you was gonna be a street or play athletics.
Speaker A:We didn't really know any much different.
Speaker A:We wasn't thinking about entrepreneurship.
Speaker A:Well, I wasn't.
Speaker A:So I was trying to hoop, not knowing I was gonna max out at about 5, 8, 5 9, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:But when you in middle school, I was trying to hoop, so I was hooping a lot.
Speaker A:And yeah, and then it's just, that's what I thought I was gonna do, so.
Speaker A:And I just didn't work out.
Speaker A:The media thing happened on accident.
Speaker A:Everything, everything in my life now happened, you know, I ain't gonna say accident.
Speaker A:It was just God's will, you know, certain things are just God's will.
Speaker A:And it just happened that way.
Speaker A:Wasn't by my own doing, wasn't by my own power, brilliance.
Speaker A:It was simply God wanted me in that space and it happened.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker C:Walk us through.
Speaker C:Like what, what was the like, you know, the first moment where you, you kind of thought to yourself, you're like, you know, I can get intermediate, I can get into content.
Speaker C:You know, walk us through like the first kind of like breakthrough.
Speaker A:That's a great question, you know, because I used to have a clothing brand shout out to Junkyard cuz I seen his brand is fire.
Speaker C:Yeah, shout out Junkyard Boy, Eddie and Jay.
Speaker A:So yeah, man, I had, I had a clothing brand that was very successful, but then the clothing brand crashed.
Speaker A:I had like a store too.
Speaker A:And in my store I was having conversations because now the clothes ain't selling.
Speaker A:So we just kind of using it as a kick it spot.
Speaker A:It was almost like a podcast before podcast happened.
Speaker A:So the brand failed.
Speaker A:So when my brand failed, I had to go back to working security.
Speaker A:And once I was doing security, Instagram introduced the live option.
Speaker A:Once Instagram introduced the live option, I was literally one of the first people on there just talking at work, trying to get myself through a shift.
Speaker A:And once it started to grow and grow and grow, then I recognized, oh, this can be something, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So that's how I got into media, literally through Instagram Live.
Speaker A:And it got, he gave an increase, man, it changed my life to this day.
Speaker A:Like what time, like what year was do you think?
Speaker A:2017.
Speaker A:I literally was just on my Snapchat because Snapchat save everything, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A: s talking about going live in: Speaker A: It popped off in: Speaker A: I met this in: Speaker A: st time with this December of: Speaker A:And since then, my whole life has been changed.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was changed a little bit before that because my life was popping.
Speaker A:I was going crazy.
Speaker A:And then once I started going live, you know what I'm saying, On a much bigger platform, child, to this, it got crazy.
Speaker A:It got real, real crazy.
Speaker A:Like, to this day, it's still crazy.
Speaker D:And how did you get into connection with this?
Speaker A:Or I say.
Speaker A:I say this story.
Speaker A:Every interview I do is a guy named Remedy415.
Speaker A:It was two people.
Speaker A:Remedy415 and DJ ASAP.
Speaker A:I was going live on my own.
Speaker A:Y' all know rem?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Shout out to rim.
Speaker A:So I was going live on my own and my show was doing well.
Speaker A:So Remedy.
Speaker A:I was running around.
Speaker D:So you're popping on yourself, like on your own?
Speaker A:Yeah, I was popping.
Speaker A:So Remedy put the call in like, hey, he got something good.
Speaker A:Y' all can use him.
Speaker A:I was gonna go to this learner and try to do like the Hood vlog.
Speaker A: I was trying to do that in: Speaker A:I'm like, this will give me a budget.
Speaker B:Get the camera.
Speaker A:Let's do the Hood Vlog.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker A:Go ask this one.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And I was trying to do that, but they were like, we don't have a budget for it.
Speaker A:But the live, it don't take no money.
Speaker A:Yeah, you don't gotta pay nothing for the lodges.
Speaker A:Go live.
Speaker A:So it was cost effective and it just popped off.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker A:That's how it happened.
Speaker A:But REM put the call in and my partner, DJ asap, but remember is the one that was really pushing and.
Speaker A:And it happened like that.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Shout out to everybody that put calls in for people.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:You know, that helps.
Speaker D:Without them, doors wouldn't open.
Speaker D:You know?
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So that's how it worked out.
Speaker A:Blessing.
Speaker B:No, definitely.
Speaker B:And walk us through some of those early days at working with this and those lives.
Speaker B:Like, some of you know, the artists that popped from those moments.
Speaker A:That's a great question.
Speaker A:People don't ask me that much, cuz it sucked.
Speaker A:Oh my gosh.
Speaker A:Because Dizzler, like, want you to, like, almost prove yourself to a certain degree.
Speaker A:So I was, I.
Speaker A:Before I went live, I was at this for like six months editing videos.
Speaker A:That is hard to do.
Speaker A:Shout out to all the editors out there.
Speaker A:Editing.
Speaker A:People don't know.
Speaker A:Editing is a tedious process.
Speaker A:And one small mistake messes up the whole video.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:You Know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm back there editing videos and then finally it's like, man, let me go live.
Speaker A:And luckily, through the grace of God, the live just popped off that first one and it was like, oh, we got to keep doing this.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you know, since, you know, it just cracked off and it was just lit, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So shout out to.
Speaker A:Shout out to Thisler.
Speaker A:But yeah, I was editing videos at first and that was.
Speaker A:I was editing interviews and ciphers and all that.
Speaker A:That was irritating.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sitting behind that computer 4, 5, 6 hours in your eyes, then you still do it wrong.
Speaker A:Now you got to go do it all over again.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that worse.
Speaker B:Losing focus halfway through.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker D:So you never really got into like the whole editing part of it.
Speaker A:Hell nah.
Speaker A:That, that taught me I can't edit.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, I don't want to edit.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:I gotta pay somebody to go do my editing.
Speaker A:I can't do it.
Speaker D:That's something like we talk about too.
Speaker D:We want to learn how to do it.
Speaker D:But it's like so tedious, how you say?
Speaker A:Like hella tedious and time consuming.
Speaker A:That's the biggest thing.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's not something that's going to take 30 minutes.
Speaker A:Even a quick edit might take you two, three hours.
Speaker A:And some people, I got other to do.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:So editing.
Speaker A:Editing is challenging.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:You got to really want to do that like, like it and be exactly.
Speaker A:Or you know, certain people got presets, but even then that should take time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You'll spend like hours on a five second clip and be like, exactly.
Speaker B:Bro, is this even worth it?
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:Shout out to all the, you know, content creators that be sitting back there editing.
Speaker A:Because then you would do all that.
Speaker A:Then the video don't even do nothing.
Speaker A:Imagine you editing for four, five, six hours.
Speaker A:You put the video out, get 30 views.
Speaker A:I didn't spend all my time editing this.
Speaker A:And it didn't get.
Speaker A:Not narrow.
Speaker B:That is the weakest.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:That is throw my laptop away.
Speaker A:There you go, man.
Speaker A:This keeps out something different.
Speaker A:But you know, that's how that'd be working.
Speaker B:No, but definitely.
Speaker B:And like talking about some of those early moments in it, like we were doing our research earlier and you know, we saw a lot of those early moments, the EBKJOs, the little CTOs, like talk, talk us through some of those moments and you know, some of those breakthrough moments for not only artists but yourself.
Speaker A:That the, the, the Instagram Live show with Dizzler It.
Speaker A:It brought a new life to Dizzler.
Speaker A:And, you know, I'll tell this to them today.
Speaker A:Face.
Speaker A: y have one, especially during: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it gave platform to people who didn't have one, and it was putting people in front of 500, 800, a thousand people who may not know who they are.
Speaker A:So that extra, you might get 2, 300 followers.
Speaker A:That can be 2, 300 more fans.
Speaker A:So the early time, it was like.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna say I was breaking artists because these people had notoriety before.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Me, like ebk.
Speaker A:JBO was doing well before he got on the Live, but the Live just kind of, like, helped it a little bit more.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:We had Burner on.
Speaker A:We had Mozzie on.
Speaker A:Mozzie.
Speaker A:We got.
Speaker A:If you look on YouTube, Mozzie spit a verse.
Speaker A:It broke.
Speaker A:Lil Cedo.
Speaker A:I'm gonna keep it real.
Speaker A:It broke.
Speaker A:Look, I'm.
Speaker A:We responsible for Lucido, if I'm just being honest.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:So what.
Speaker A:What the Live did, it was just.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It brought life into it.
Speaker A:And how it did it was because.
Speaker A:All right, I' ma let you rap, but I'm gonna do something that nobody else is doing.
Speaker A:I'm gonna tell you the truth.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And I'm gonna be.
Speaker A:I'm gonna talk to you how we talk, because I'm from Hunter's Point, so I'm gonna talk to you how we talk in the Point.
Speaker A:Man, that weak.
Speaker A:This is not.
Speaker A:This ain't it like this.
Speaker A:I'm gonna talk to you how we talk regularly in the projects.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna talk to you like I'm in a Thistler corporate office.
Speaker A:Because I'm not in a Thistler corporate office.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I'm a.
Speaker A:From Hunties Point, so I'm gon.
Speaker A:I'm saying.
Speaker A:And so I gave you authentic.
Speaker A:Me, respectfully, as possible, but.
Speaker A:And I gave you a platform at the same time.
Speaker A:And it was.
Speaker A:It was good, you know, God is good.
Speaker A:You know, so it just.
Speaker A:It just worked out.
Speaker A:It really, really did.
Speaker A:Early on, though, I'mma tell.
Speaker A:I'm g.
Speaker A:Give y' all some insight.
Speaker A:I knew the show was doing good when I would get 30, 40 you messages.
Speaker B:That's how you know you're doing.
Speaker A:That's how you know it took me time to recognize that.
Speaker A:But when you not getting Those get me on the line.
Speaker A:You, you hate you Politicking.
Speaker A:That's not a good sign.
Speaker A:When they call in the music industry.
Speaker A:I'm learning when they not mad, that's kind of a bad sign because it's like they're not paying attention.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Mind you, they mad at something I really can't even control.
Speaker A:It's literally 300 people and we got one hour time.
Speaker A:I can't get everybody on.
Speaker A:Literally, I can't physically get everybody on.
Speaker A:It's not possible.
Speaker A:So they would be mad at things out of my control.
Speaker A:But the anger was just a passion.
Speaker A:Like, I really want this opportunity.
Speaker A:And once they stop being passionate about the opportunity, you're.
Speaker A:Because when you do.
Speaker A:I did the show for five years, so it's not gonna always be up and up.
Speaker A:Sometimes the show might take a hit and it's been times where they didn't give a no more.
Speaker A:So now you gotta like rebuild the show again.
Speaker A:And that's with anything.
Speaker A:Podcasts and TV shows and live shows, it's not gonna always be up and up.
Speaker A:So it would take dips and have to build it back up and get it back.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I learned that though, when they not mad at you, it's a problem when they pissed off.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That you got that mean you're doing something right.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That just like this, like lights a fire under your ass and you just gotta keep pushing forward.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker A:But that live show, I'm gonna keep real, man.
Speaker A:That live show was a blessing.
Speaker A:It was a blessing to me.
Speaker A:It changed my life and it changed a lot of artists lives.
Speaker A:A lot of people want me to bring it back now.
Speaker A:A lot of people want me to.
Speaker A:I get asked literally every day, bring the live back.
Speaker A:Bring the live back because it's a new rapper every day.
Speaker A:It's a new.
Speaker A:It's a new artist every day.
Speaker A:Because we had singers, we would get different cities, we would get different nationalities.
Speaker A:We would have a.
Speaker A:A Pacific Islander night, we would have an Asian night, we would have a Latino night.
Speaker A:And it's so many people that don't have a platform.
Speaker A:The show is like.
Speaker A:It's a big gaping hole for the show.
Speaker A:Like people want it to this day, but it's just so.
Speaker A:So many nuances going into doing it.
Speaker A:But the show is just a blessing.
Speaker A:It just.
Speaker A:It just bring new life to this brought new life to me and it brought new life to artists.
Speaker A:So it was just a blessing to everybody all the way around.
Speaker A:Still is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker B:And it seems like, it, like, influenced a lot of what this was.
Speaker B:Did moving forward, too.
Speaker B:Like, even with, like, the bar wars.
Speaker B:And so they did.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, yeah, they tried to, like, repackage what I created.
Speaker A:God is good, what God created.
Speaker A:But, you know, they tried to repackage it and shout out to, you know, Matt and Tyrese.
Speaker A:They, you know, they.
Speaker A:They try.
Speaker A:They're my guys, so I'm just.
Speaker A:I'm talking to them, but them is my I with them, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:You know, because they know I'm arrogant.
Speaker A:So, you know, they tried, definitely.
Speaker B:But talk.
Speaker B:Talk to us about after that.
Speaker B:Like, what doors open from that live show for you?
Speaker A:That's a great question.
Speaker A:Opportunities, like, just being able to go to Arizona.
Speaker A:I just left Portland a few weeks ago.
Speaker A:They know me in Portland.
Speaker A:So it.
Speaker A:That show got me familiar in places I never knew.
Speaker A:The Washingtons, Portland's, Hawaii, a lot of Pacific Islanders.
Speaker A:Because they would appreciate when we did Pacific Islander Night.
Speaker A:Essentially, I underestimated the reach of Thiszler.
Speaker A:Fizzler is a huge brand on the.
Speaker A:On the west coast.
Speaker A:And not just the west coast, across the world, the Texas and all that.
Speaker A:A lot of people are familiar with this.
Speaker A:So it got me known in these places, and it would.
Speaker A:It would essentially just open doors, like hosting talent shows and different things like that.
Speaker A:Like, it just.
Speaker A:It really got me known.
Speaker A:It really, really, really got me known a lot of different places.
Speaker A:And it built my brand, like, it built my brand around the Bay Area, too.
Speaker A:Like, a lot of people got familiar with me in the Bay Area, and then I got to introduce them into what I do.
Speaker A:Because I don't only do just rap, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I do philanthropy.
Speaker A:I do mental health.
Speaker A:I do fitness type stuff.
Speaker A:I do funny type stuff.
Speaker A:I do a lot of different things with my personal brand.
Speaker A:So this helped me reach all these people, bring them in, and show people what I do.
Speaker A:And that changed my life.
Speaker A:And, you know, it keeps me booked and busy.
Speaker A:Like, because of that.
Speaker A:That opportunity, God was really working on me.
Speaker A:Like I said, this all happened, you know, by accident.
Speaker C:And I was taking a look, you know, like you said, we're doing research and stuff like that.
Speaker C:You know, with you being in philanthropy and stuff, like, you know, at least for the people who are watching and stuff.
Speaker C:Walk us through.
Speaker C:Let us, you know what some philanthropy you're involved in or, you know, stuff that you've recently done.
Speaker A:Oh, man, I know that there's a lot of stuff.
Speaker A:Yes, a Lot.
Speaker A:It's a lot.
Speaker C:So the ones you want to highlight on, you know, the man, like I.
Speaker A:Said before the show, we finna do some expungements in Sacramento on the 25th or I don't know when this episode in a couple weeks.
Speaker A:I don't want to date it.
Speaker A:We were doing backpack drives.
Speaker A:By the time this out, we doing backpack drives in August.
Speaker A:What else we got going on?
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's literally so much.
Speaker A:I would have to look at my phone and put everything.
Speaker A:But I just did my prom giveaway and graduation giveaway where I was buying kids outfits for their graduations.
Speaker A:Paying for kids whole promise, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And I've been doing this for years and years and years.
Speaker A:And that's why I'm thankful, like, you know, I was able to get the platform to show people what I do.
Speaker A:And that comes from just.
Speaker A:When you really.
Speaker A:When you come from not having much, it's either going to make you want to like, be a asshole and boast on everybody else, or it's going to make you want to have empathy for people.
Speaker A:That's in that same scenario.
Speaker A:When you come from a place of not having much, it's either going to do one of two things.
Speaker A:You either going to want to help or you're going to want to shit on people.
Speaker A:People.
Speaker A:And I chose to, you know, I want to help people.
Speaker A:Like, I know how I feel to not have much.
Speaker A:I know how I feel to be struggling.
Speaker A:I know how I feel to be looked over.
Speaker A:So I try to be a blessing to those who, you know, who I would would needed a blessing.
Speaker A:I try to be to them what I would need it at that time, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:That's why I try to really focus on helping children a lot, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:The youth, because they.
Speaker A:They really be needing it because once you plant that seed in them, they grow up and want to do the same thing.
Speaker A:They want to replicate that.
Speaker A:So it's important to plant seeds.
Speaker A:Y' all got kids?
Speaker A:I don't have kids.
Speaker A:Yeah, no kids.
Speaker A:Game.
Speaker C:Yeah, them kids.
Speaker A:Hey, I feel y' all, man.
Speaker A:Hey, I feel y' all, man.
Speaker B:For real.
Speaker D:Eventually, though, for sure.
Speaker B:We love them kids.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:Eventually I want to have kids, too.
Speaker A:What's stopping y' all?
Speaker B:I just think the time, I think.
Speaker B:I think it's the mental block of the right time, which realistically, you know, there's never going to be a right time.
Speaker B:You're never fully prepared for what you're going to walk into.
Speaker B:And that's in every facet of your life.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But I feel like that's what the mental block is for me, for sure.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Can't speak for them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Don't want to rush.
Speaker D:I just don't want no kids.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker A:Mine is time and money.
Speaker A:It's like, you know, cuz, you know, like, we all in media, and when you building these things, you kind of recognize, okay, first I gotta work, then I gotta do this.
Speaker A:So it's like, it's got so much going on.
Speaker A:I don't know if I can slow down and stop everything right now and focus on this.
Speaker A:Because if I did focus on a kid, I'm gonna have to put everything else on pause.
Speaker A:And it's like, I don't know if I want to do that right now.
Speaker A:I don't know if I'm financially at a place where I can stop everything else I'm doing and focus on this kid.
Speaker A:So I'm in agreeance.
Speaker A:Man, that kid is serious.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker B:And I've seen.
Speaker B:I've seen you had some controversial opinions on living with significant others.
Speaker B:Yeah, Yeah, I want to hear about that, bro.
Speaker A:I don't know why so many people got mad at me and so many people agree with it.
Speaker A:Essentially what I said was, always keep your own.
Speaker A:Like, you should always keep your own.
Speaker A:Like, your own house, your own car, your own money.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Because relationships can go bad.
Speaker A:They fail every day.
Speaker A:Divorce.
Speaker A:People get divorced every day.
Speaker A:And you want to keep your own shits.
Speaker A:I want to just talk to the women out there.
Speaker A:As a woman.
Speaker A:This my camera right here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:As a woman.
Speaker A:A man can cheat, a man could lie, a man could put his hands on you.
Speaker A:Why on God's green earth would you want to put all of your livelihood in him?
Speaker A:What happens if he doesn't?
Speaker A:If he wake up one morning and don't want to deal with you no more?
Speaker A:Where are you going to go?
Speaker A:What are you going to do?
Speaker A:That is why it's important to always keep your own at all times.
Speaker A:Keep your own into the men.
Speaker A:I don't even need to go into that.
Speaker A:Serious, my nigga.
Speaker A:Like, as a man, you should always have your own.
Speaker A:Now I understand why some people do it.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, even when you do it, you should always have your own.
Speaker A:Like, it's nothing wrong with living with your significant significant other.
Speaker A:Go ahead.
Speaker A:But if that does go bad, have some money to go get your own shit.
Speaker A:Yeah, you Know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, if you.
Speaker A:If y' all in love, go ahead, live with each other, go do your thing.
Speaker A:But if it go bad, make sure you ain't staying together because you ain't got no place to go.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:See what I'm saying?
Speaker A:That's what I was trying to say.
Speaker A:And people got mad at it.
Speaker A:But a lot of people agree.
Speaker A:A lot of people, you know, didn't.
Speaker A:But they.
Speaker B:That's cuz the ones that got mad, they still stuck at home.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:And if they could, they might have left Ex.
Speaker A:Y' all live with y' all girls?
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker A:How is it?
Speaker A:How long you been doing it?
Speaker B:Top of the year here.
Speaker A:Oh, so you just started?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, that's tight.
Speaker A:Shout out to you.
Speaker B:No, it's cool.
Speaker B:It's cool.
Speaker B:So far for sure.
Speaker B:He's still in the honeymoon phases.
Speaker B:No, I mean, it's different.
Speaker B:You get to know somebody from a different angle.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:You like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're with them often or whatever when you're dating, but you're not.
Speaker B:You don't know them to that extent.
Speaker B:You know, every.
Speaker B:Everybody's raised different.
Speaker B:Everybody has different daily habits or different routines.
Speaker B:And it's really having to learn that and stuff.
Speaker B:So it's hard, but it's, you know, it's cool.
Speaker B:Like it's, you know, something I haven't dealt with before.
Speaker B:So I enjoy it.
Speaker A:I can see through that.
Speaker A:That was politically correct.
Speaker A:I do this media shit.
Speaker A:That was a politically correct answer.
Speaker C:He's PR trained, bro.
Speaker C:He's pr.
Speaker A:That was amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, you gotta just do it, man.
Speaker A:That was some Stephen A.
Speaker A:Smith ass shit.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:But I like it though.
Speaker A:Nah, but I feel you, though.
Speaker B:He had to rehearse.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, that's how I genuinely feel.
Speaker B:I mean, it's different having to talk about it on camera, but that's why it feels a little more Stephen A.
Speaker B:Smith.
Speaker B:But I do, I do genuinely feel that way.
Speaker A:I mean, I feel like he's giving.
Speaker D:Me that answer too.
Speaker B:He's like, not, but for real that way.
Speaker B:I mean, you can't expect with any human being, you can't expect every day.
Speaker A:To be a good day.
Speaker A:Makes sense.
Speaker A:That makes sense.
Speaker A:That makes sense.
Speaker B:So it's like just having that perspective of econ, you know, you can control what you can control, but you have to.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Plus I have some unpopular opinions.
Speaker A:I think we are in non traditional times.
Speaker A:Yeah, things are different.
Speaker A:A lot different from when our parents or our grandparents, things are a lot different.
Speaker A:So I'm not opposed to essentially being in a long term relationship.
Speaker A:Being in a relationship when we just keep separate places.
Speaker A:Because sometimes, like, did y' all know a lot of married couples don't even sleep in the same rooms?
Speaker A:Yeah, like, they don't even sleep.
Speaker A:So essentially, people just value their own space.
Speaker A:So you.
Speaker A:I think you can be in love and genuinely love somebody and keep your own space.
Speaker A:I don't think it's enough necessity for y' all to necessarily live together.
Speaker A:Obviously it saves money and it's good for a financial reason, but I think you can genuinely love somebody and keep your own space, too.
Speaker A:But everybody's.
Speaker A: t of us are still thinking in: Speaker A:And I'm understanding 20, 25 people are different.
Speaker A:So certain things have to change.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And space is important.
Speaker A:Everybody needs a certain level of their own space, especially us men.
Speaker A:Like, we just need our own space, like, to a certain degree, to unpack, to unwind, and just do as we please without anybody bothering.
Speaker A:Keep your own.
Speaker B:No, definitely.
Speaker B:I've seen that.
Speaker B:Even with, like, super wealthy people in interviews talking about how them and their husband or wife have, like, different floors.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Genie bus from the Lakers.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:But she like.
Speaker A:Yeah, we.
Speaker A:We got the same building.
Speaker A:Oh, man, I like it over here.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker A:You dig?
Speaker A:You got a good view, huh?
Speaker A:But, yeah, yeah, it's just.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:People are recognizing, like, space is important.
Speaker A:That don't mean you love anybody any less.
Speaker A:You just keep your own space.
Speaker B:No, I could agree with that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's wild.
Speaker A:So y' all don't live with y' all girls?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Would y' all.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, almost.
Speaker C:I almost got to that point.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm single now, but I'm just.
Speaker A:Saying, like, almost got to that point.
Speaker A:Me too, brother.
Speaker A:It happens to the best of us.
Speaker A:Did you cry when it ended?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, he did.
Speaker A:I don't remember.
Speaker A:It happens, right?
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:That should be hurting and heartbreaks.
Speaker D:You have to get your little tears out.
Speaker C:You have to get your.
Speaker B:What type of cry was it, though?
Speaker B:Was it just a tear dribbling or was it like one of those ugly cries?
Speaker D:It was like silent, you know, Silent cry.
Speaker D:Silent one.
Speaker C:You gotta suck it in, you know?
Speaker C:You just gotta suck it in, you.
Speaker D:Know what song was playing?
Speaker C:Straight silence, bro.
Speaker C:Just fighting demons.
Speaker A:O.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:How long y' all been broke up?
Speaker D:The shower.
Speaker C:Probably.
Speaker C:Probably like four months.
Speaker A:Three.
Speaker C:Four months.
Speaker A:Oh, it's new.
Speaker C:Yeah, me too.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Get some therapy.
Speaker A:I'm in therapy now.
Speaker A:That should be hurting because there's men.
Speaker A:Like, we don't know how to process that all the time.
Speaker A:So we'll go try to our way through it, or some people like to drink or get high, and you got to really get help, because if not for real, if not making the wrong choice again, or you'll end up just.
Speaker A:You'll end up carrying that hurt and putting that on somebody else.
Speaker A:So we really got to get help.
Speaker A:Like, that is serious.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Heartbreak is something that's not talked about amongst men because we supposed to be, you know, strong and just go get another woman and go get some new.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:That's the wrong thing to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:That's the wrong thing to do.
Speaker A:Especially to y' all that be with them drugs.
Speaker A:Don't think you're gonna get high and get over heartbreak.
Speaker A:Yeah, that is.
Speaker A:That hurts.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:Hey, go get therapy.
Speaker A:Shout out to my therapist.
Speaker D:That's just real.
Speaker C:And, you know, you talked about mental health, too.
Speaker C:Like, highlight and walk us through, like, some of the mental health stuff that you've, you know, helped others walk past and stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah, I did.
Speaker A:I did some mental health giveaways when I first.
Speaker A:My first therapist, I had shout out Dr.
Speaker A:Kim Yvonne Porter.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:Because I recognize when you going through something, like, a lot of the ways we was raised, we weren't taught how to deal with processing our emotions and our mental.
Speaker A:And you will just like, this is one of my coping mechanisms.
Speaker A:And it's a good and a bad thing.
Speaker A:When I'm going through hurt, it's like, you know what?
Speaker A:That I'm gonna boss up.
Speaker A:I'm gonna go start this business.
Speaker A:I'm gonna go do this.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do this.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do this.
Speaker A:That's not necessarily the way to heal you.
Speaker A:Just compartmentalizing how you actually feel.
Speaker A:And you might get more success, but you still hurt on the inside.
Speaker A:And what good is having success if you still mentally and emotionally fucked up?
Speaker A:So that's why I like, super encourage therapy, and that's why I'm back in there.
Speaker A:Because now I recognize, like, nothing changes until something changes.
Speaker A:Meaning your outlook and your ideology and how you look at life.
Speaker A:That shit, like, really, really matters.
Speaker A:How you process things, making sure you have an authentic prayer life, because I have a Christian counselor, and those things matter.
Speaker A:Like when you trying to really heal from something.
Speaker A:So when you get in this other relationship, you know what to see and you know how to show up for this woman, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Because you got to make sure you choosing right, and you got to make sure you showing up right.
Speaker A:Because if you choosing wrong and showing up wrong, heartbreak is inevitable again.
Speaker A:And who want to just keep getting their heart broke, who want to just keep, you know what I'm saying, going through that same over and over again.
Speaker C:So, yeah, doing the shadow work and, you know, just putting the time in, you know, mentally, you know, be a better person and for the next person, hell yeah, ultimately the goal.
Speaker C:So, you know, just gotta, just, you.
Speaker A:Know, that is important.
Speaker A:That is important.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And like you said, this stuff's not talked about enough.
Speaker B:And for a lot of guys or men especially, it's, it's hard to make that step and actually say, you know, I need to go get help or I need to go talk to someone.
Speaker B:Did you, you have any of, of that?
Speaker B:Like, did you have any hesitancy to actually seek that assistance?
Speaker A:Not the second time around.
Speaker A:Definitely not.
Speaker A:Just because, like, I recognize, like, yeah, I'm going through something, and I can't get this on, through this on my own.
Speaker A:Sometimes if I'm going through something, it's like, okay, I'll be all right.
Speaker A:But then this time I'm like, hold on.
Speaker A:I'm really tripping right now.
Speaker A:Something ain't right.
Speaker A:This is not like me.
Speaker A:I gotta go.
Speaker A:Let me go seek a second opinion.
Speaker A:Let me go get some help.
Speaker A:And it's been helping, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I was messed up.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:A few months ago, I was up when we stopped talking, like, February.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was toe up.
Speaker A:Cause I, I seen something in somebody.
Speaker A:Then I seen something I never thought I'd see.
Speaker A:Like, wow, you like this.
Speaker A:And, you know, and it felt like betrayal.
Speaker A:And betrayal does something to you chemically, in your brain, literally, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Betrayal does something to you, and you gotta seek help for that.
Speaker A:Unpack.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:What am I feeling?
Speaker A:Why am I going through this?
Speaker A:What's happening?
Speaker A:And I, I, I do therapy so I can help other people.
Speaker A:Especially when you, that person, a lot of people count on, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:When people call you and they need help, you kind of need tools and you need strength and you need wisdom to be able to pour into other people.
Speaker A:So I needed somebody to pour into me so I can get right, so I can pour into Other people.
Speaker A:And I'm still in therapy and I love it, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Hopefully, you know, God keep blessed me with the finances to pay for it, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:But I love therapy.
Speaker A:Yes, man, go get some help.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Don't smoke your way through the problem.
Speaker A:Don't cocaine your way through the problem.
Speaker A:Don't jack your way off through the problem.
Speaker A:Don't go have sex through the problem.
Speaker A:Problem.
Speaker A:Go get help.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Genuinely go get some help.
Speaker A:Talk about it.
Speaker C:Talking about it is the best thing you can do.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Talking about the best thing that you can do, man.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Plus, if they're a good therapist gonna hold you accountable to where you fell short or, you know, a good therapist is going to challenge your, your mindset.
Speaker A:A good therapist is going to give you tools that you can take with you that you can actually apply to really help yourself, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, my therapist always says nothing changes until something changes it.
Speaker A:And she likes to quote scripture, you know, as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.
Speaker A:So how you thinking really matters.
Speaker A:So if you thinking negatively and always thinking negative, you know what I'm saying, it's gonna hurt.
Speaker A:And I learned just doing research, you don't have to believe everything you think because every thought you get isn't true.
Speaker A:Everything you think ain't even from you.
Speaker A:Some of your thoughts are subconscious, subconsciously are from other people or things you've heard.
Speaker A:There's not necessarily true.
Speaker A:So some of your thoughts can be like, hold on, that's not even real.
Speaker A:But we don't.
Speaker A:You don't know that until you intentionally study it.
Speaker A:Like until you make it an effort.
Speaker A:If you just.
Speaker A:Just going through life, you won't know.
Speaker A:You would think everything you think is real.
Speaker A:You internalize it.
Speaker A:And you drive yourself crazy.
Speaker A:Sometimes you can be your own worst enemy.
Speaker A:A lot of the times we are own worst enemy.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker D:That's something that I go through to myself is like I just always be just thinking the, like the worst about myself.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:I'm just like, oh.
Speaker D:But then again it's like, I don't know why I think about that because like when I'm around people, like, people think I'm funny, they think I'm cool or whatever.
Speaker D:And then, but subconsciously how you say that, like, I'll just be like, oh man, they're thinking this about me or whatever it may be.
Speaker D:And then it's just like, yeah, no, they're right, though.
Speaker D:Like, I am this way, I am that way, or whatever it may be story.
Speaker A:And it's like, yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker A:And guess what?
Speaker A:Some of those thoughts are not your thoughts.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're genuinely not from you.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:It might be something you picked up from a parent or a cousin or when you was back in school.
Speaker A:They're not your thoughts.
Speaker A:It could be other people's thoughts.
Speaker A:It can be demonic thoughts.
Speaker A:It could be anything.
Speaker A:But it's not necessarily from you.
Speaker A:It's just something.
Speaker A:Something trying to throw you off.
Speaker A:So I've learned capture the thought.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:This ain't this.
Speaker A:I don't even think this about myself.
Speaker A:This don't even make sense.
Speaker A:This don't align with my trajectory, what I got going on.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna deny that and replace it with something more positive about myself.
Speaker A:And once you do that intentionally, it'll.
Speaker A:You'll start to see a change over time.
Speaker A:And I still work on it.
Speaker A:Because we all think negative thoughts.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:They come every day, so we always just got to keep challenging them.
Speaker D:And it is something I am working on, too, every day.
Speaker D:Because, I mean, I'm not the biggest in, like, religion, if anything.
Speaker D:I just have a relationship with God, I would say, for sure.
Speaker D:And I talk to him every day, lie, like, morning, night, God keeps.
Speaker D:Make sure I get to work, let me have a good day, Let me make it back home makes sense.
Speaker D:Let my loved ones do the same thing, you know?
Speaker A:Makes sense.
Speaker D:And I just try to.
Speaker D:And I notice just, like, the good that I get.
Speaker D:Like, last year, if you would have seen me, I was.
Speaker D:I was hurt, and I.
Speaker D:I didn't have work.
Speaker D:I was struggling.
Speaker D:I was stressing this way and that way.
Speaker D:Now I'm just.
Speaker D:Everything I was crying for is just right here coming to me.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker D:Like, I wake up the next day, this happens.
Speaker D:This happens.
Speaker D:Like, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker D:This is what I've been waiting for.
Speaker D:This is what I've been crying for.
Speaker D:But it took me to ask God, like, God, please, like, if you could help me, I'll do this.
Speaker D:I'll sacrifice what I can to help.
Speaker D:Like, if you could help me out, you know?
Speaker D:And it comes down to, like, the next day, I get the text, like, hey, if you.
Speaker D:If you're available, well, you got work for you over here.
Speaker D:Or this over here is happening.
Speaker D:Like.
Speaker D:Or Chris will hit me up.
Speaker D:Like, this is going down.
Speaker D:He'll hit Me up.
Speaker D:Like, hey, like, this happened to me.
Speaker D:It's like blessings all over the place.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:He's doing it every time he gonna show up.
Speaker A:He gonna show up every time he gonna show up.
Speaker A:He ain't gonna never leave you nor forsake you, you.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a man.
Speaker A:That's a good thing, man.
Speaker A:Take your mental health serious, man.
Speaker A:That's a good thing.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker B:No Defin.
Speaker A:You too, Mr.
Speaker A:Live In.
Speaker B:No, I do.
Speaker A:I feel you talking boys nights.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You need the healthy balance.
Speaker B:You know, the podcast gives you that time to, you know, cuz we, you know, like we said we go on trips to do some interviews and things of that nature.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker B:It's been.
Speaker B:Yeah, super dope.
Speaker B:Especially with this journey.
Speaker B:This has been cool just being able to talk to the people we've been talking to.
Speaker B:Even yourself, you know, like that, man.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker B:I remember watching some of these lives, like the Losito live all these lives.
Speaker B:You got the scissors, everything.
Speaker B:Like, bro.
Speaker A:He just texted me the other day, sent me some new music.
Speaker A:The music industry is a beast, y' all.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, the music industry is a beast, like, because you can literally be at the highest of highs, and then like, at the snap of a finger, it's all over.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:Like, the hype is gone.
Speaker A:The hype is gone.
Speaker A:So it's like what I've learned and you know, God is good.
Speaker A:That's why I take so much pride in doing everything else outside of just the rap.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And I've learned in music.
Speaker A:That's why.
Speaker A:Have you noticed why so many rappers got clothing lines and acting and all that?
Speaker A:They got so many different endeavors.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Because this can.
Speaker A:I mean, it's not a.
Speaker A:If it's a win, the music thing is gonna go down for something.
Speaker A:You at some point.
Speaker A:It's a rollercoaster in music.
Speaker A:When this goes down, you still got all this other things going on so to sustain you, essentially.
Speaker A:And because if you just depending on music alone, it's gonna be a rough ride because the music industry is like, on to the next, on to the next.
Speaker A:It's like a choosy ho, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:It's like a prostitute who just looking for a new pimp every day.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:That's a crazy way to explain it.
Speaker A:Like, it's just a new hoe just looking for a new pimp every day.
Speaker A:And it's like, I'm cool.
Speaker A:I'm cool.
Speaker B:And attention spans have only gotten smaller, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:And fandom, super fandom and all that, like, that has just, like, hoes decreased.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, you get more access to people with this digital age, you know, like.
Speaker C:Just that streaming right now is going crazy.
Speaker B:People just absolutely.
Speaker D:You see, everybody jumped on.
Speaker D:On streaming.
Speaker B:Yo just said you want to quit music to stream.
Speaker A:Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker A:I mean, because now the fan.
Speaker A:The fan change is like, okay, the music is.
Speaker A:But I like, I would like to see how you live.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I would like to see how you live.
Speaker A:But if I'm a rapper and I'm.
Speaker A:I don't really have much of a life.
Speaker A:I don't have much to show you.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:I can show you a chain and all that.
Speaker A:But now the fan don't necessarily care about a big old chain, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So it's like, who cares?
Speaker A:And now they don't know how to adjust.
Speaker A:So what do I do?
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, the music is, you know.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:Changes.
Speaker C:Literally right now is just taking over the game.
Speaker C:You got a bunch of people just wanting to become a streamer right now.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker D:But see, like, the viewer too, the curiosity is super there to, like, want to know what the hell they got going on in their daily life.
Speaker D:And like you said, if I'm not really all that popping, like my song is in real life, well, then, exactly.
Speaker D:I can't show you much.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:I ain't got much to show you.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, and it's sad because it'll chew you up and spit you out, because we talking about the highest of the highs.
Speaker A:But what about the local artist who's hella famous and was sustaining on this?
Speaker A:Like he was getting sustaining off music.
Speaker A:Now he's not famous no more.
Speaker A:I mean, now he's not making that money no more.
Speaker A:But he's still famous.
Speaker A:He can't just go work at the airport.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because they gonna pick up a phone and be like, oh, look at you.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But you still got all this notoriety, but now it's like, like, what do I do?
Speaker A:That'll.
Speaker A:I've seen it.
Speaker A:I won't say no names, but I've seen it drive people crazy.
Speaker A:Almost want to commit suicide, depression.
Speaker A:Now they want to start being a pimp.
Speaker A:Now they want to start selling dope.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:It's like the music industry is a beast.
Speaker A:That's why you Got to have a relationship with a higher power to be in this shit because it'll chew you up and spit you out, literally.
Speaker A:And people like to say the industry is evil, but what's never talked about.
Speaker A:It's the first time I'm saying this.
Speaker A:The fans is kind of evil, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, that's not talked about enough.
Speaker A:Like a fan is waiting to humiliate his.
Speaker A:The artist, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like the artist you used to love.
Speaker A:You can't wait to be like, ah, throw your phone out.
Speaker A:You can't wait to encourage some stupid shit.
Speaker A:You can't wait to like humiliate or talk about.
Speaker A:Oh, I used to listen to you used or you fell off.
Speaker A:You can't wait to just down talk to somebody.
Speaker A:And the artists know that.
Speaker A:That's why he got all these followers and, you know, he got these hit songs that you listen to five, six, seven years ago, but he's afraid to get a job because he know you and your whole graduating class can't wait to talk about him, humiliate him.
Speaker A:And he's still a human being, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:No human being wants to be humiliated.
Speaker A:And I know you're gonna humiliate me, so you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:That's never talked about or not a lot.
Speaker A:But the fans can be essentially evil, which plays a role into some of these, these mental health cases with these artists.
Speaker C:Meme culture turned into like hate culture too.
Speaker C:Like, in my opinion, everything, like, used to be like, oh, everything on social media was just a joke, funny and stuff like that.
Speaker C:Then people just started just like, hating for real.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, I don't know what it is.
Speaker C:I don't know what it is.
Speaker C:Like, as of recently, but like social media now, like, whatever post it is, you can scroll down somebody's hating somebody's post.
Speaker C:Like every single post you scroll on somebody's age.
Speaker A:I knew that was true when I seen him try to hit on Kai.
Speaker A:And he's the most positive person ever because he's one of those people that's not finna push hella negativity to get lit.
Speaker A:And I seen like, damn, y' all trying to hate on Kai.
Speaker A:And he's so positive, he pushed through it, but it's like, damn, like the Internet really is trying to drag down everybody.
Speaker A:This is one of the most positive people online we've seen in years.
Speaker A:And they tried it and it just didn't work because his fan base is just insane.
Speaker A:Yeah, insane.
Speaker B:And I've even seen interviews of artists talking about how fans will want to pull you back, back into a dark place.
Speaker B:Like, oh, your best music was made.
Speaker B:And yeah, we want this music again.
Speaker B:Like people like to Chance the rapper.
Speaker B:Oh, we want acid rap again.
Speaker B:Or just certain things like that where they want to bring you back to, to old ways that you may have grown out of, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:And, and they don't understand that.
Speaker B:Like you're human, you're trying, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like you're fighting everyday battles, not just like a creative.
Speaker A:I mean, plus you grew, you got older, like you mature.
Speaker A:So you're not at that.
Speaker A:You're not thinking like that no more.
Speaker A:You thinking new.
Speaker A:So I'm not trying to make this again, but you know, they'll get attached to that.
Speaker A:And yeah, that's man again.
Speaker A:Artist has so much to worry about because you got to essentially you're living every day to please somebody else.
Speaker A:And that's just depressing in itself.
Speaker A:That's literally exhausting your service.
Speaker A:Yeah, you making them your God.
Speaker A:You making these fans your God almost.
Speaker A:And it's like, that's never going to work.
Speaker A:I got, every day I got to wake up to please you.
Speaker A:And the moment you're not pleased, I'm.
Speaker A:Yeah, we've seen what happened with Drake, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, he was pleasing for 15 years and everybody's just switched on him like that, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Luckily, he's, he's Drake and he still got, you know, his, his hit songs and all like that.
Speaker A:But I was like, damn, man, this evil.
Speaker A:I can, I.
Speaker A:I wonder what he's going through mentally when the whole world loves you.
Speaker A:For 15 years you got into altercation, loss, and now everybody like you, you, you a pedophile.
Speaker A:Yeah, damn.
Speaker C:Life altering, life altering.
Speaker A:And then everybody, every night, in every club, every city, all across the world is calling you a pedophile every night.
Speaker A:His mental health, it gotta be so, like, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I don't give a how much he tried to smile and cheese.
Speaker A:That would affect anybody.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:That's, that's so.
Speaker A:And everybody just jump ship.
Speaker A:But that's the music.
Speaker A:Just like hoes one minute they love you, next minute, on to the next pimp, you know I'm saying that's what hoes do.
Speaker A:Sad.
Speaker B:It's a damn shame.
Speaker B:But beyond the music, man, what do you got going here in the future.
Speaker B:What can we look forward to for see Leader brand man.
Speaker A:Oh, I got my.
Speaker A:The Sealy Live conversation cards.
Speaker A:That's available on sealybrand.com a lot of philanthropy work I got coming up.
Speaker A:I'm trying to give you something stam.
Speaker A:That's a tough question when I got a lot.
Speaker A:I'm about to start streaming.
Speaker A:Let's talk about that.
Speaker A:I got the whole streaming set up on what platform?
Speaker A:I'm gonna do Twitch.
Speaker D:There you go.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do Twitch.
Speaker A:I just gotta.
Speaker A:I gotta just buy the whole little computer.
Speaker D:I don't know the difference.
Speaker D:But is there a reason you're going Twitch or no?
Speaker A:I have no clue.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I have no clue about streaming.
Speaker C:But there's only so many pop.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Kicks.
Speaker B:Supposedly Kicks creator plan or whatever will pay more than Twitch.
Speaker B:But Twitch gets a lot.
Speaker B:Has a lot more subscribers, so a lot of people will just split.
Speaker B:Split stream it.
Speaker B:Where they stream on both of them simultaneously.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm not like twitching to be like, hella big.
Speaker A:I'm twitching.
Speaker A:I'm a stream because it's like Instagram, where I.
Speaker A:Where was my bread and butter.
Speaker A:The algorithm changed so bad to the point where it's like you can't even do nothing.
Speaker A:That's part of the reason why we had to stop the Live.
Speaker A:Like, because they kept shutting the live down.
Speaker A:Like, if you cuss or say something to where Mark Zuckerberg had to come out and be like, look, we had to put restrictions on it just because Biden did it.
Speaker A:And now we're scaling back on all the restrictions because everybody page was getting deleted.
Speaker A:He was getting struck for anything.
Speaker A:So he was like, we're going to allow a little bit more freedom, but essentially the damage has been done on Instagram.
Speaker A:It's like, it's so strict.
Speaker A:If you say anything, do anything, you can get your page blocked.
Speaker A:So I still want to be able to talk to my people and do my reviews and shit like that, but I just need more freedom on the platform.
Speaker A:You can't play no music on Instagram and they'll shut you down for licensing.
Speaker A:It's like, bro, I just need to be able to talk to the people that want to hear from me, even if it's a small group, and be able to do me and clip it up and things like that.
Speaker A:Nature.
Speaker A:But that's.
Speaker A:That's why I'm a stream.
Speaker A:Just, you know, at this point, you got to communicate with your people and you got to feed your people continuously like in the content game, if you're not consistent, you might as well just quit because if you can't retain these people's attention, it's going to be a wrap.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's essentially the same thing you were doing on the lives, right?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Interacting with people in real time.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Things of that nature.
Speaker B:So I definitely see nothing but success with that.
Speaker B:Walk us through what your vision is for that is it.
Speaker A:I want Twitch to fucking be able to allow me to get people, people on.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:That's the only thing with Twitch you can't like click people on.
Speaker A:I think you got to do it through some discord.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So they got to have Twitch and Discord.
Speaker A:I want to be able to somebody in my live, I can click them and get them right on the show right then and there.
Speaker A:Once Twitch does that, it's gonna be over.
Speaker A:Oh, it's gonna be so.
Speaker A:Oh, it's gonna be so over.
Speaker A:Like it's gonna be lit.
Speaker C:I think you can link it.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I'm not sure about leaking.
Speaker C:Don't mark my words.
Speaker C:But yeah, just have some.
Speaker C:There has to be some type of way.
Speaker B:But they do it through like Discord comms.
Speaker B:They're talking in real time on their Discord comm, but and on Twitch at the same time.
Speaker B:And that's how they do it, the same way.
Speaker B:But yeah, like you said, you have to go through a third party.
Speaker A:You gotta go through a third party.
Speaker A:So once Twitch fixed that, it's gonna be up.
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker A:It's gonna be up, up.
Speaker A:But that's what I really want to do.
Speaker A:Just because on my personal shows, we talk about everyday.
Speaker A:We talk, we talk.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We talk about the Diddy case.
Speaker A:We talk about what ye.
Speaker A:Kanye didn't tweeted.
Speaker A:We just talk about everyday shit.
Speaker A:Because, you know, people, after a long day at work, they just want to unpack some shit.
Speaker A:We talk about workplace little discrepancies.
Speaker A:We talk about, you know, little viral clips and things of that nature.
Speaker A:And I just want to do that.
Speaker A:I just wanted to genuinely just talk to my people, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:That's what I really want to do.
Speaker A:As far as next two, I want to travel a little bit more.
Speaker A:Again, Like I said, the Bay Area, I love the Bay, but.
Speaker A:But LA is different.
Speaker A:Atlanta's different.
Speaker A:San Diego's different.
Speaker A:You know, Portland is different.
Speaker A:I just left Portland and it's like once you see how much influence the Bay or Northern California just in general has on different places.
Speaker A:It would be wise to get to these places.
Speaker A:Like, it wouldn't be wise to just stay here when the reach is so much further.
Speaker A:They understand the culture.
Speaker A:They have their own culture.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So that's my next thing.
Speaker D:Traveling more with the traveling you've done, have you gone to, like, any of your favorite spots yet or a place you wanted to visit?
Speaker A:Dago was one of my favorite spots.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Dago is one of my favorite spots.
Speaker A:Portland just became one of my new favorites.
Speaker A:That was my first time in Portland.
Speaker A:I want to get to Washington.
Speaker A:I really need to get to Washington.
Speaker D:What part of Washington you want to check out?
Speaker A:I want to go to Seattle, but I also want to go to Tacoma.
Speaker A:Where else?
Speaker A:I want to go to P Walla, Washington, where Lucido's from.
Speaker A:I want to see that place.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:It's a few places I want to.
Speaker A:It's a few places I want to go to.
Speaker A:And then I want to.
Speaker A:You know, I'm going to Atlanta again in August.
Speaker A:I want to get to.
Speaker A:I've been to New York before.
Speaker A:I want to get back to New York.
Speaker D:Yeah, New York's fine.
Speaker A:I want to go back.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I want to go back to New York and try their food and things of that nature.
Speaker A:I got a lot going on.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:Keep it real, y' all.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it's a lot, bro.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I don't want to be arrogant in both of.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Bro, it's a lot.
Speaker A:God is good.
Speaker D:Yeah, bro.
Speaker A:Like, damn.
Speaker A:Y' all just made me think of something.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:Because in the entertainment industry, you pray to get busy because that's where your money come from.
Speaker A:That's where your opportunities come from.
Speaker A:Because I got movies and I'm working on, too.
Speaker A:Shout out to everybody.
Speaker A:Shout out to Zakayas.
Speaker A:He put me in a movie.
Speaker A:Shout out to Burner.
Speaker A:I'm in.
Speaker A:Boo.
Speaker A:I'm in Burner's movie, Glass City.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So that's coming out soon.
Speaker A:So I got movie movies coming, but you pray to be busy, but then you get so busy, you don't recognize how much time is going by.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because you just.
Speaker A:This thing, this thing, this thing.
Speaker A:Next thing you know, like, oh, I still ain't had kids yet.
Speaker A:Next thing you know, like, damn, I got hella going on.
Speaker A:It's like, damn, this.
Speaker A:It consumes you, and you can't let this business consume you because you still have a life, so you got to have that balance.
Speaker A:Like, you don't want to let this music industry consume.
Speaker A:Consume you.
Speaker A:And you'll get so many opportunities.
Speaker A:It will.
Speaker A:Next thing you know, you stressed out, miserable because you didn't consume yourself with this industry and these fans.
Speaker A:Like I said, go.
Speaker A:One minute, you hear, Next minute is all.
Speaker A:You fell off you.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So it's like, it's.
Speaker A:That's something to pray on when I leave here.
Speaker A:Thank y' all.
Speaker A:I appreciate that.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I didn't recognize how busy I was until y' all asked me about it.
Speaker A:Like, damn, I got the hella going.
Speaker D:No, I feel like even with us, too, like, we feel the same way.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker D:We live regular lives, and then we on the weekends, we try to handle business with this podcast industry and anything.
Speaker A:You gotta set up interviews, make sure they come.
Speaker A:Timing, cameras, memory cars, travel.
Speaker A:It's consuming.
Speaker A:It's time consuming.
Speaker B:Social media, you know, everything like that.
Speaker A:Social media.
Speaker A:Making sure the clips is up and make sure collaborating and nigga might trip, take that clip down or keep this clip up.
Speaker A:I know how that shit go, man.
Speaker A:It's just the.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It's a constant battle, and you.
Speaker A:And you just recognize, like, this is just consuming your time.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's consuming your time.
Speaker A:Makes sense.
Speaker A:Why none of us got kids.
Speaker A:It makes sense, man.
Speaker A:We on a journey.
Speaker D:But it's a balance, though.
Speaker D:You gotta.
Speaker D:You know, you gotta have.
Speaker B:And kind of like you said, too, you.
Speaker B:You look back like, damn, this is all I ever.
Speaker B:Like, we're even.
Speaker B:I even think of that same thing when you say that.
Speaker B:It's like, damn, all we ever wanted to do is just be able to sit down with people every weekend and talk to a new person or this, that, the other.
Speaker B:Now being here, it's like, who.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:It's a lot, you know, from booking to having to set up, to go to different places, travel to people, everything.
Speaker B:You know, we work full time, so our weekends are taken up by this, and we miss out on a lot.
Speaker B:But like you said, it's a blessing that we're even able to.
Speaker B:To upkeep something like that.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We prayed about, you know, so.
Speaker A:Hell yeah, man.
Speaker A:But as men, I've learned.
Speaker A:And we got.
Speaker A:We have to stay focused on our purpose, because the moment we lose sight of purpose is when depression kicks in.
Speaker A:When we get out of alignment when we supposed to be doing, like, we always put we all have purpose inside of us.
Speaker A:And once you start just not.
Speaker A:You get away from your purpose because you want to please somebody else or you're doing what society tells you to do.
Speaker A:Like, oh, you should be married by this time.
Speaker A:Oh, you should have kids by this time.
Speaker A:Oh, you should be working here, doing this and have this at this time, or you should have this degree at this time.
Speaker A:The moment you get out of alignment with your God given purpose is when you're going to be fucked.
Speaker A:And I think we all living in purpose.
Speaker A:That's why it's just.
Speaker A:It feels so organic and natural because we doing what we supposed to be doing and not what, you know, everybody else tells what we should do.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:A podcast is something that you got to be passionate about to do.
Speaker A:I'm sure y' all not making millions of dollars right now.
Speaker A:This is something y' all love doing.
Speaker A:So y' all doing it because y' all care about it and y' all trying to build this thing up.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And that takes a lot of passion.
Speaker A:It takes a lot of purpose to do that.
Speaker D:And that's where it comes to, like, the love of the hobby of just being able to upload our videos, you know, just to say, like, yeah, we got videos out.
Speaker D:We got out there, you know, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's dope to just have an idea and see it come to fruition.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:It gives you confidence.
Speaker A:It's like, yeah, we did it.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And then you got to do it over and over and over again.
Speaker B:Realize how much power you could really have to just continue to, you know, turn that big dream into a bunch of micro steps and just walk that line intentionally, especially because hell yeah.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker A:Shout out to Blur Gotti.
Speaker A:I seen him on here.
Speaker D:We didn't mention.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker D:We had him on here, too.
Speaker A:A shout out to.
Speaker B:He was cool.
Speaker D:Yeah, he was good people.
Speaker B:He had.
Speaker B:He had a lot of gems to drop for sure.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, he was back on.
Speaker B:We got to get him back on for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah, Blur Gotti's dope.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:He's a good human overall.
Speaker D:Yeah, he's a good guy.
Speaker A:I'm saying shout out to Pluri.
Speaker A:I don't know if he's Mexican or Filipino steel, but I didn't ask him.
Speaker B:Confused.
Speaker A:Every time Blur Gotti is you Mexican or Filipino?
Speaker D:Comment below.
Speaker B:We'll give.
Speaker C:We'll give him a single clip out.
Speaker A:For this if he did shout to Blatty, man, But God is good, man.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:What else is on your mind?
Speaker A:I'm still.
Speaker A:I'm ready.
Speaker A:Let's get some.
Speaker A:Let's get some clips.
Speaker D:Get some.
Speaker B:What you got.
Speaker D:We'll come back to you.
Speaker B:Come back.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:It don't matter anything.
Speaker A:I just want.
Speaker A:I want to make some good content so we can get some good clips.
Speaker D:Being at this, have you came across your favorite artist yet?
Speaker A:It's a good question.
Speaker A:My favorite artist that I've met at this or db, DB by the Bag.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Hell yeah.
Speaker A:He's just an overall good human.
Speaker A:He's a good human being.
Speaker A:So I really like DB by the Bag.
Speaker A:Who else have I met at this?
Speaker D:He's dope.
Speaker D:I like him too, as an artist.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, I definitely.
Speaker A:I like Lou DZ too.
Speaker A:I like Lou DZ father.
Speaker A:I like Ludy's manager, shout out to Russell North.
Speaker A:I like how they conduct business.
Speaker A:I like how, you know, they just move as a unit and I like how, you know, committed they are to the goal.
Speaker A:So I like Luke Deezy a lot.
Speaker A:It's a lot of.
Speaker A:It's a lot of.
Speaker A:It's a lot of artists I like.
Speaker A:Some of them is too gang banged out, so I can't say their name.
Speaker A:I'm not about to get no politics.
Speaker D:Yeah, I feel you.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Because if you say one artist and don't say the other.
Speaker D:Yeah, the opposite.
Speaker A:To be mad like, oh, you.
Speaker D:Yeah, like that.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker A:I learned that with that.
Speaker A:I learned that working at this.
Speaker A:You got to be very careful with your words, cuz they can't wait to affiliate with you with somebody.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, and you got to be very, very careful.
Speaker A:They do it with thisler all the time too.
Speaker A:Like, if this post one set but don't post the other.
Speaker A:Oh, y' all politic and y' all picking size.
Speaker D:I've seen.
Speaker D:I've seen a few close comments.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, bro, you didn't say.
Speaker A:It's like you didn't kill 13 in a song.
Speaker A:And this person, they trying their best not to get in it.
Speaker D:But it's like, bro, yeah, shout out.
Speaker A:To Dizzler because that.
Speaker A:That's a hell of a.
Speaker A:That's a hell of a burden to carry to where it's like, I'm trying to promote music, but damn, you didn't diss this person hella much in this song.
Speaker A:You didn't diss this person hella much.
Speaker A:In the song, I want to help, but you putting me in a.
Speaker A:A hard spot.
Speaker A:How do I.
Speaker A:How do I help and promote your music on this platform?
Speaker A:But it's like you didn't dissed every body.
Speaker A:This one has to balance that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And even like no Jumper too, they.
Speaker D:They fall into the same category of having the politics, you know, getting involved, fishing for it.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I got love for no Jumper.
Speaker A:I had a no Jumper interview.
Speaker A:Shout out to Almighty Suspect Free Almighty.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:No Jumper.
Speaker A:Be.
Speaker A:No Jumper.
Speaker A:Be kind of wanting it.
Speaker A:They be fishing.
Speaker D:Yeah, they do be.
Speaker A:It gets tricky with no Jumper, man.
Speaker D:It sucks because they used to not be like that.
Speaker D:I loved when the platform was like the SoundCloud rap era, you know, when they were bringing on up and comers and like, I love when it was like that.
Speaker A:Here's what I learned about media companies by working at one.
Speaker A:Because once you work at one, you start to see the behind the scenes.
Speaker A:What happens with media companies is once they see something work, they keep going with that.
Speaker A:Because the media company needs to drive interest to get money.
Speaker A:Because now once you become a media company and you get these, these numbers, you get a building, you get editors, you get cameramen, you get other, you get assistants, you get all these people.
Speaker A:Now you got all this overhead.
Speaker A:So if this shit works, let's keep doing this over and over.
Speaker A:And that's how all media companies work.
Speaker A:Once they find a formula that works, they go with that so they can drive the money in.
Speaker A:And sometimes the formula is not always the healthiest thing, but when you see it from the other side, it's like they just trying to keep the lights on.
Speaker A:But it's like, at what cost, though?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And it gets.
Speaker A:It gets.
Speaker A:Very true.
Speaker A:Because I've seen podcasts do it, because I used to, like, people would get mad, like, at this or no Jumper and all that and not like they.
Speaker A:They order of operations.
Speaker A:But then once I see everybody start popping up with podcasts and I'm like, oh, you clip farming.
Speaker A:Oh, you trying to go viral?
Speaker A:Oh, I see what you doing.
Speaker A:You're trying to draw interest to your podcast because it might be slowing up and want to slow up.
Speaker A:Oh, you might lose the fan deal.
Speaker A:The fan dual deal.
Speaker A:You might lose a sponsorship, you might lose, you know, that, that YouTube revenue that's coming in.
Speaker A:So essentially, that's what all media companies do.
Speaker A:They try to find a formula that works and keep going with it.
Speaker A:And unfortunately, sometimes that formula comes at the cost of integrity with certain platforms.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:You see it even in, like, you know, from ESPN to everything.
Speaker B:You know, Stephen A.
Speaker B:Smith do it.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, he'd be Cliff forming like a motherfucker.
Speaker B:Titles.
Speaker B:Some of those titles are crazy clickbait.
Speaker C:And everything that you could possibly do to draw attention is what is in today's bro.
Speaker A:Everybody that left ESPN said, okay, good.
Speaker A:I don't have to talk about the Lakers and LeBron no more.
Speaker A:I don't have to talk about the Knicks no more.
Speaker A:I don't have to talk about the Cowboys no more.
Speaker A:Because ESPN recognizes this is the formula to draw interest because these have the biggest fan bases and they're.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're rating.
Speaker A:The ratings go up when we talk about LeBron.
Speaker A:The rating go up when we talk about the Cowboys.
Speaker A:The rating go up when we talk about the Knicks because they have big fan bases.
Speaker A:And the people that got let go be like, this is why they talk about them so much, because this is the story.
Speaker A:This is Drive the interest, even though it might be better teams, better players.
Speaker A:That's why.
Speaker A:And everybody copies the same formula.
Speaker A:All media companies copy the same formula.
Speaker A:Once they see it works, they run with that over and over and over again.
Speaker A:Free game until nobody.
Speaker A:I told you all that.
Speaker B:So what's your.
Speaker B:What's your, I guess, advice for somebody who's coming up wanting to do media in their self, not only how they can avoid losing integrity, but also how they can avoid, you know, navigating some of the street stuff you're talking about as well, like the conflicting, you know.
Speaker A:Be authentically yourself is what I do.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I'm a preface that by saying you ain't gonna always do good numbers, you will sometimes your might be you might get some numbers, but as long as you keeping your integrity, being authentically yourself, every piece of content, every podcast episode, everyone gonna hit, it's not gonna always be good.
Speaker A:But as long as you.
Speaker A:You might get a lesser viewer, but you might get a lawyer, a loyal viewer.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, it's not gonna.
Speaker A:When you being authentically yourself and you're not chasing a number you're gonna have, it's gonna be a roller coaster.
Speaker A:Sometimes it's gonna be lit, sometimes it's gonna be bad.
Speaker A:Because guess what?
Speaker A:Even the most.
Speaker A:The person of the most integrity, sometimes they like the bullshit.
Speaker A:Sometimes they like that.
Speaker A:They like a little drama, they like some negativity.
Speaker A:That's why they'll watch the Zeus network and all that and the baddies and all that shit, it's corporate.
Speaker A:Women who don't even fuck around like that still watch that shit because they still like it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But when you maintaining your integrity and being authentically yourself, I mean, you ain't losing your integrity.
Speaker A:This is just me, this is what comes with me.
Speaker A:And that's what I do.
Speaker A:I show all sides of myself.
Speaker A:So yes, I'm a philanthropist.
Speaker A:Yes, I love rap music.
Speaker A:Yes, I'm God fearing.
Speaker A:I mean, yes, I, yes, I believe in mental health.
Speaker A:Yes, I like to go out and have a good time at an R B party.
Speaker A:You gonna see me at a R B party in sack, singing my heart out.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna show all sides of me and I'm gonna be authentically myself.
Speaker A:Everything ain't gonna hit, but as long as I'm being me, I, I, you know, God get an increase, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And that's, that's been working for me.
Speaker A:Like I've been blessed, you know, I'm, I'm gonna keep it real.
Speaker A:I haven't been in business with this since August of last year and I'm still booked and busy now.
Speaker A:We still do business from time to time, but I haven't had a contract with this since August of last year.
Speaker A:And I'm.
Speaker A:God is so good.
Speaker A:I'm still hella blessed, still hella booked, still like movies, I'm on TV every other week, shout out to ktv, you like it or not.
Speaker A:I'm just so, so blessed.
Speaker A:And it's like just being authentically myself.
Speaker A:Most people when they lose certain opportunities, they die with the opportunities.
Speaker A:And because God has been good, I've been great, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So God is good.
Speaker C:Being, being multifaceted and being versatile is just, you know, something that anybody should.
Speaker A:Everybody should practice in their back pocket, man.
Speaker A:Especially we are in Northern California.
Speaker A:We don't recognize how versatile we are until we go other places.
Speaker A:Yeah, we are very versatile people.
Speaker A:We are like we did, we, we deal with different people.
Speaker A:Like we, we, we do different things.
Speaker A:Like we think different, we move different.
Speaker A:So I think it's super important to be versatile.
Speaker A:Like, you know, if you're a rapper, you should be creating content.
Speaker A:If you're a rapper, you should probably make beats too, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:If you, if you're a rapper, you should be active in your community, especially the community.
Speaker A:You rapping about this?
Speaker A:Because this community is going, what you going to have to fall back on when everybody else leave you because they will leave you at some point.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:So it's like you should be doing a variety of different things.
Speaker A:Everybody in the entertainment business should, because you're going to need it.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:And not only because you need it, because it's who you are.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, we've seen it too.
Speaker C:Just from the Dizzler days and from what all the stuff that you have going on.
Speaker C:That's why we wanted to, you know, come have you on here, chop it up and just, you know, just let.
Speaker C:Let everybody else know, like, what you have going on, what you've done and what you, you know, have, you know, just immersed yourself.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just talked to this.
Speaker A:It's a big company that reached out to me.
Speaker A:I won't say it yet because it's not like LinkedIn.
Speaker A:I just talked to this or two days ago.
Speaker A:And hopefully this big company give me an opportunity.
Speaker A:I tell you off camera.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And it's a big opportunity coming, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Hopefully, you know, if it's in God's will.
Speaker A:But yeah, God is good.
Speaker B:We're speaking it into existence.
Speaker B:It's all gonna go, right?
Speaker A:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker D:As I said.
Speaker B:And we're gonna be looking, bro.
Speaker B:We're gonna be watching.
Speaker A:Once I get it, I'm gonna come back and tell you.
Speaker B:Chop it up about it.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker B:No, but definitely we want to tell you once again, thank you.
Speaker B:We appreciate you coming out this, this way for us, bro.
Speaker B:Let them know where to find you, what they can.
Speaker B:Look forward.
Speaker A:Follow at the Sealy Brand, man.
Speaker A:You're gonna see all our community events.
Speaker A:We giving away ice cream and all that.
Speaker A:And whatever we do, I just want y' all to pull up, pop out, support these kids, man.
Speaker A:So follow at the C Brand.
Speaker A:I want you to see all the movies we working on.
Speaker A:I want you to just be involved because if you help a repost or share, it could be a big blessing to myself and others.
Speaker A:So follow at the Cel Brand.
Speaker A:Make sure you keep God first.
Speaker A:Let's talk about it.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:Well, thank you, guys.
Speaker B:If you haven't already, like, comment, subscribe and tune in next week later.
Speaker D:We'll catch you.
